Comments on: Java doing my head in http://paulmwatson.com/journal/2007/02/05/java-doing-my-head-in/ The journal of Paul M. Watson Fri, 21 Nov 2008 21:38:52 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7-beta1 hourly 1 By: Paul Browne - Technology in p http://paulmwatson.com/journal/2007/02/05/java-doing-my-head-in/comment-page-1/#comment-8938 Paul Browne - Technology in p Tue, 06 Feb 2007 03:16:36 +0000 http://paulmwatson.com/journal/2007/02/05/java-doing-my-head-in/#comment-8938 Agree 100% with your comments on Enterprise Java (and this is from somebody who makes his living out of it). Way too complex for the simple stuff. And projects need to start out simple then grow over time.<br><br>Current angle on this is (J)Ruby. The Ruby part gives me a quick start , plus ability to host pretty much anywhere (it can be hard /expensive to find Java hosting). The JRuby bit means that I can run in the Java Virtual Machine i.e. it gives me a clear migration path if I need to scale.<br><br>Just don't diss Eclipse. We've been together 5 years now (pre version 1) and for Project's I couldn't do without it. For mucking around with simple files however you're better off using --Select Editor of Choice here-- Agree 100% with your comments on Enterprise Java (and this is from somebody who makes his living out of it). Way too complex for the simple stuff. And projects need to start out simple then grow over time.

Current angle on this is (J)Ruby. The Ruby part gives me a quick start , plus ability to host pretty much anywhere (it can be hard /expensive to find Java hosting). The JRuby bit means that I can run in the Java Virtual Machine i.e. it gives me a clear migration path if I need to scale.

Just don’t diss Eclipse. We’ve been together 5 years now (pre version 1) and for Project’s I couldn’t do without it. For mucking around with simple files however you’re better off using –Select Editor of Choice here–

]]> By: Paul Browne - Technology in p http://paulmwatson.com/journal/2007/02/05/java-doing-my-head-in/comment-page-1/#comment-8184 Paul Browne - Technology in p Tue, 06 Feb 2007 03:16:36 +0000 http://paulmwatson.com/journal/2007/02/05/java-doing-my-head-in/#comment-8184 Agree 100% with your comments on Enterprise Java (and this is from somebody who makes his living out of it). Way too complex for the simple stuff. And projects need to start out simple then grow over time.<br><br>Current angle on this is (J)Ruby. The Ruby part gives me a quick start , plus ability to host pretty much anywhere (it can be hard /expensive to find Java hosting). The JRuby bit means that I can run in the Java Virtual Machine i.e. it gives me a clear migration path if I need to scale.<br><br>Just don't diss Eclipse. We've been together 5 years now (pre version 1) and for Project's I couldn't do without it. For mucking around with simple files however you're better off using --Select Editor of Choice here-- Agree 100% with your comments on Enterprise Java (and this is from somebody who makes his living out of it). Way too complex for the simple stuff. And projects need to start out simple then grow over time.

Current angle on this is (J)Ruby. The Ruby part gives me a quick start , plus ability to host pretty much anywhere (it can be hard /expensive to find Java hosting). The JRuby bit means that I can run in the Java Virtual Machine i.e. it gives me a clear migration path if I need to scale.

Just don’t diss Eclipse. We’ve been together 5 years now (pre version 1) and for Project’s I couldn’t do without it. For mucking around with simple files however you’re better off using –Select Editor of Choice here–

]]> By: Paul Browne - Technology in p http://paulmwatson.com/journal/2007/02/05/java-doing-my-head-in/comment-page-1/#comment-10171 Paul Browne - Technology in p Tue, 06 Feb 2007 03:16:36 +0000 http://paulmwatson.com/journal/2007/02/05/java-doing-my-head-in/#comment-10171 Agree 100% with your comments on Enterprise Java (and this is from somebody who makes his living out of it). Way too complex for the simple stuff. And projects need to start out simple then grow over time.<br><br>Current angle on this is (J)Ruby. The Ruby part gives me a quick start , plus ability to host pretty much anywhere (it can be hard /expensive to find Java hosting). The JRuby bit means that I can run in the Java Virtual Machine i.e. it gives me a clear migration path if I need to scale.<br><br>Just don't diss Eclipse. We've been together 5 years now (pre version 1) and for Project's I couldn't do without it. For mucking around with simple files however you're better off using --Select Editor of Choice here-- Agree 100% with your comments on Enterprise Java (and this is from somebody who makes his living out of it). Way too complex for the simple stuff. And projects need to start out simple then grow over time.

Current angle on this is (J)Ruby. The Ruby part gives me a quick start , plus ability to host pretty much anywhere (it can be hard /expensive to find Java hosting). The JRuby bit means that I can run in the Java Virtual Machine i.e. it gives me a clear migration path if I need to scale.

Just don’t diss Eclipse. We’ve been together 5 years now (pre version 1) and for Project’s I couldn’t do without it. For mucking around with simple files however you’re better off using –Select Editor of Choice here–

]]> By: Paul Browne - Technology in p http://paulmwatson.com/journal/2007/02/05/java-doing-my-head-in/comment-page-1/#comment-13452 Paul Browne - Technology in p Tue, 06 Feb 2007 03:16:36 +0000 http://paulmwatson.com/journal/2007/02/05/java-doing-my-head-in/#comment-13452 Agree 100% with your comments on Enterprise Java (and this is from somebody who makes his living out of it). Way too complex for the simple stuff. And projects need to start out simple then grow over time.<br><br>Current angle on this is (J)Ruby. The Ruby part gives me a quick start , plus ability to host pretty much anywhere (it can be hard /expensive to find Java hosting). The JRuby bit means that I can run in the Java Virtual Machine i.e. it gives me a clear migration path if I need to scale.<br><br>Just don't diss Eclipse. We've been together 5 years now (pre version 1) and for Project's I couldn't do without it. For mucking around with simple files however you're better off using --Select Editor of Choice here-- Agree 100% with your comments on Enterprise Java (and this is from somebody who makes his living out of it). Way too complex for the simple stuff. And projects need to start out simple then grow over time.

Current angle on this is (J)Ruby. The Ruby part gives me a quick start , plus ability to host pretty much anywhere (it can be hard /expensive to find Java hosting). The JRuby bit means that I can run in the Java Virtual Machine i.e. it gives me a clear migration path if I need to scale.

Just don’t diss Eclipse. We’ve been together 5 years now (pre version 1) and for Project’s I couldn’t do without it. For mucking around with simple files however you’re better off using –Select Editor of Choice here–

]]> By: Paul Browne - Technology in plain English http://paulmwatson.com/journal/2007/02/05/java-doing-my-head-in/comment-page-1/#comment-2158 Paul Browne - Technology in plain English Mon, 05 Feb 2007 22:16:36 +0000 http://paulmwatson.com/journal/2007/02/05/java-doing-my-head-in/#comment-2158 Agree 100% with your comments on Enterprise Java (and this is from somebody who makes his living out of it). Way too complex for the simple stuff. And projects need to start out simple then grow over time. Current angle on this is (J)Ruby. The Ruby part gives me a quick start , plus ability to host pretty much anywhere (it can be hard /expensive to find Java hosting). The JRuby bit means that I can run in the Java Virtual Machine i.e. it gives me a clear migration path if I need to scale. Just don't diss Eclipse. We've been together 5 years now (pre version 1) and for Project's I couldn't do without it. For mucking around with simple files however you're better off using --Select Editor of Choice here-- Agree 100% with your comments on Enterprise Java (and this is from somebody who makes his living out of it). Way too complex for the simple stuff. And projects need to start out simple then grow over time.

Current angle on this is (J)Ruby. The Ruby part gives me a quick start , plus ability to host pretty much anywhere (it can be hard /expensive to find Java hosting). The JRuby bit means that I can run in the Java Virtual Machine i.e. it gives me a clear migration path if I need to scale.

Just don’t diss Eclipse. We’ve been together 5 years now (pre version 1) and for Project’s I couldn’t do without it. For mucking around with simple files however you’re better off using –Select Editor of Choice here–

]]> By: Brian White http://paulmwatson.com/journal/2007/02/05/java-doing-my-head-in/comment-page-1/#comment-8937 Brian White Mon, 05 Feb 2007 21:41:34 +0000 http://paulmwatson.com/journal/2007/02/05/java-doing-my-head-in/#comment-8937 Agree, completely.<br><br>Eclipse is an abomination next to the fast, elegant TextMate.<br><br>The really annoying thing is that Java could be a useful web app language if it wasn't so bogged down in such pointless (and largely unused) architecture. Agree, completely.

Eclipse is an abomination next to the fast, elegant TextMate.

The really annoying thing is that Java could be a useful web app language if it wasn’t so bogged down in such pointless (and largely unused) architecture.

]]> By: Brian White http://paulmwatson.com/journal/2007/02/05/java-doing-my-head-in/comment-page-1/#comment-8183 Brian White Mon, 05 Feb 2007 21:41:34 +0000 http://paulmwatson.com/journal/2007/02/05/java-doing-my-head-in/#comment-8183 Agree, completely.<br><br>Eclipse is an abomination next to the fast, elegant TextMate.<br><br>The really annoying thing is that Java could be a useful web app language if it wasn't so bogged down in such pointless (and largely unused) architecture. Agree, completely.

Eclipse is an abomination next to the fast, elegant TextMate.

The really annoying thing is that Java could be a useful web app language if it wasn’t so bogged down in such pointless (and largely unused) architecture.

]]> By: Brian White http://paulmwatson.com/journal/2007/02/05/java-doing-my-head-in/comment-page-1/#comment-10170 Brian White Mon, 05 Feb 2007 21:41:34 +0000 http://paulmwatson.com/journal/2007/02/05/java-doing-my-head-in/#comment-10170 Agree, completely.<br><br>Eclipse is an abomination next to the fast, elegant TextMate.<br><br>The really annoying thing is that Java could be a useful web app language if it wasn't so bogged down in such pointless (and largely unused) architecture. Agree, completely.

Eclipse is an abomination next to the fast, elegant TextMate.

The really annoying thing is that Java could be a useful web app language if it wasn’t so bogged down in such pointless (and largely unused) architecture.

]]> By: Brian White http://paulmwatson.com/journal/2007/02/05/java-doing-my-head-in/comment-page-1/#comment-13451 Brian White Mon, 05 Feb 2007 21:41:34 +0000 http://paulmwatson.com/journal/2007/02/05/java-doing-my-head-in/#comment-13451 Agree, completely.<br><br>Eclipse is an abomination next to the fast, elegant TextMate.<br><br>The really annoying thing is that Java could be a useful web app language if it wasn't so bogged down in such pointless (and largely unused) architecture. Agree, completely.

Eclipse is an abomination next to the fast, elegant TextMate.

The really annoying thing is that Java could be a useful web app language if it wasn’t so bogged down in such pointless (and largely unused) architecture.

]]> By: Jonathan Brazil http://paulmwatson.com/journal/2007/02/05/java-doing-my-head-in/comment-page-1/#comment-8936 Jonathan Brazil Mon, 05 Feb 2007 20:53:42 +0000 http://paulmwatson.com/journal/2007/02/05/java-doing-my-head-in/#comment-8936 I have to say Paul that I completely agree with your sentiments. I remember my first touch on JSP development and how shocked I was regarding it's complexity compared to server-side jscript on IIS that I had used most recently before that. The whole snobby attitude towards development is in need of a facelift. I remember about 8 years ago being laughed out of it when I suggested that HTML apps would take over within 10 years. The reason I saw it happening was simplicity of development and deployment. Sadly though the snobbs of development sank their teeth into it and put heavyweight processes and containers in place again, stiffling the ease of development. Complexity of design and deployment should never be confused with app scalability and robustness, one does not mean the other! I have to say Paul that I completely agree with your sentiments. I remember my first touch on JSP development and how shocked I was regarding it’s complexity compared to server-side jscript on IIS that I had used most recently before that. The whole snobby attitude towards development is in need of a facelift. I remember about 8 years ago being laughed out of it when I suggested that HTML apps would take over within 10 years. The reason I saw it happening was simplicity of development and deployment. Sadly though the snobbs of development sank their teeth into it and put heavyweight processes and containers in place again, stiffling the ease of development. Complexity of design and deployment should never be confused with app scalability and robustness, one does not mean the other!

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